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re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS
Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 4:47 am
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Posted by C K (6099 messages posted)


Well, normally anymore I would just let this type of response go as it wouldn't be 
worth my time to try and point out the errors in your response, but there are some 
points that are totally wrong and need some clarifications.  Not for arguments sake 
as there really is no argument if you care to spend time studying the two file systems 
indepth, their design and how they totally differ.  You are also blaming WIndows 
for something that if you did some research, you would find may just be a Sony issue 
as I previously stated.

You said;


  >Background:  ""I want to measure the read-write speed of the stick relative to 
a couple of other sticks which were measured with NTFS format, after which it would 
be returned to FAT32.

The question "which is more efficient, FAT32 or NTFS?" has no meaning until you know what it's going to be used for."" Actually, this is untrue as seen here: http://www.ntfs.com/quest2.htm Doesn't matter what it is used for when the volume gets below a certian size. The file system can't adjust it's basic design to accomodate a smaller volume to become more efficient. NTFS has more overhead no matter the size of the volume period. > "Which is more efficient, a Rolls Royce or a Mack truck?" TOTALLY Apples and Oranges here. PLEASE!! A Rolls or a MACK? A better analogy (though not perfect) might be the difference between a freight truck versus a freight train. A truck is more efficient with smaller loads, while a train would be more efficient for larger loads. LOL, but even then, you wouldn't use a Mack truck to move one or two people would you?? How would that be more efficient? >"NTFS might seem inefficient for only 2GB, but at the end of the day, if that stick needed specific attributes which only NTFS could supply, then the comparative efficiency of FAT32 would be zero." It's the extra features and requirements that add to the overhead of the NTFS file system, and it's dependencies make it not the best choice for removeable media. I know of NO memory card or stick that requires the NTFS additions. Quite the contrary, NON recommend the NTFS file system as the internal operation, read/write method and internal maintenace are totally different than an electrical/mechanical HDD. It, (solid state memory) can be scrambled much easier if not removed correctly when formatted NTFS as opposed to FAT. NTFS CAN NOT be optimised for quick removal for multiple reasons in current operating systems. That is only available for FAT (so that you don't have to use the "safe to remove" ICON) as for one thing, the disk cache has to be disabled. Add to that the reports from others that the Sony's proprietary ways may have limited the stick (and/or many of them), to use the FAT system (possibly due to their camera requirements). Since I have never liked Sony's proprietary products, I have never used them, but know people who have and most have disgarded them due to many issues. >"But I wasn't looking for a debate about file systems - I was hoping someone could give me the answer to a technical problem which, at first sight, defies scientific logic? And of course, we all know that Windows NEVER does that..." Windows is code written by men. It can't do anything other than what it is programmed to do. That's why we in the programming and Robotics world would run "what if" scenerios constantly, along with bug reports, and change/add to the code as we need to. All code has bugs and deficiencies. That's just the way it is. No one was debating file systems that I observed. Only pointing out that NTFS isn't the best to use in this particular case and my observation from other reports around the web that Sony has programmed some memory to only use the FAT system.. You can do and think what you want. Fact still remains that if you try to format it on say, XP or other systems and it still won't work, then you would have to contact Sony to see if they might have a better answer. Most likely, it isn't a Windows problem or if it is, it may be a limitation of an old operating system/incompatibility. I use W2K and XP, and format other types of SS memory, 4 gig and up to NTFS, but only for test purposes and compatibility. I most often run into problems with secure digital media and sizes of media smaller than 4 gig in size. Manufacturers are always changing the internals and the firmware so I don't think anyone here would hazard a 100% gauranteed answer to your question... Sorry..




Written in response to:
re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 12:33 am)

Responses to this message:
*re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 at 8:17 am)

All messages in this thread [show all]
-Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 2:33 am)
*re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (DEX: Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 8:32 am)
-re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (C K: Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 1:59 pm)
*re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 1:51 am)
-re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:33 am)
-re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (C K: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 4:47 am)
-re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 8:17 am)
*re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (C K: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 9:43 am)
-re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (Alan Masterman: Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 5:28 am)
*re: Cannot format Sony memory stick as NTFS (geek9pm: Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 2:01 pm)
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