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re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs
Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 5:37 am
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Posted by sekirt (284 messages posted)


gewg

You sure have gotten nasty from when you first started posting here. :) 

Simply: You're wrong about some things.

I have plenty of computing experience and I don't choose to switch to Linux - or 
Mac for that matter.  I use IE exclusively and don't like FF.  I keep my security 
settings in IE even lower than recommended and I have never had a problem from back 
in 2002 when I was posting here to now with Vista.  Never had a virus. Never ever 
- so stop scaring people.  Not everyone gets into trouble, even if there are bad 
people out there.  

Unfortunately, the nature of a troubleshooting forum brings out only those that do 
get infected.  So your view is skewed.  And yes many computer operators should pack 
their computer back in the box because they are idiots.

I don't do P2P.  That seems to be the root of your article...a primary cause of infection. 
(http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/antivirusculture).  I am careful about what 
emails I open.  I seldom get spam anyway with the filtering that email providers 
currently use.  I am not challenging the bad guys, it is just an ongoing experiment 
to see how long I can avoid infections just using common sense. I used to use Spybot 
and even uninstalled that years ago because it never found anything.  (Well, it found 
cookies that would get deleted in my ordinary cleaning of junk files).
 
Until Linux is an over-the-counter established OS, I'll probably never switch.  It 
is an unknown.   I am not going to experiment.  If I had an extra computer that I 
didn't care about, maybe then.  I suspect the same is true of many people - your 
"sales pitch" is far from convincing because it just sounds like you hate MS and 
nothing more.

I think MS has made what most people want.  I think most are relatively satisfied 
with Windows.  I think many people hear people like you say "Windows Sucks" everytime 
something goes wrong.  Can't tell you how many times I have heard people say that 
and had absolutely no basis for saying it.  They had XP and now have Vista.  They 
have some problem with, for example, setting up Windows Mail.  Then they add how 
they never had that problem with Outlook Express.  They are virtually identical programs 
and are setup the same exact way and the same way any email client would be 
setup.  You need POP3 and SMTP settings, etc;  But they hear that Vista sucks and 
mimic the cry.  They have no basis for saying it.

Programs I have added to Windows are programs to make life easier for me. I've probably 
added around 100 programs (maybe more).  I am not married to Microsoft and I don't 
necessarily like all their apps.  I don't download most updates.  Don't download 
"band-aids" as you put it.  How do I even know if my programs would run on Linux? 
 The assortment of freeware for Windows is amazing and you can find a program for 
just about whatever you want.  Can't say that about Linux or Mac.  I want that choice.

According to you, since Linux is so superior and basically free, there shouldn't 
be any Windows Operating Systems in Asia. Ha!

Popping (the right) pills to get healthy or keep living sounds completely normal 
to me.  What is the alternative?  There is no way for a person to stay completely 
healthy without parts breaking down for an entire lifetime.  Obviously pills alone 
are not 100% the answer but they are a necessity.

There are no axe wounds in Windows.  The closest would be to just format and reinstall. 
 Or install your backup (if you have one, everyone should). 


sekirt



On Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 1:57 pm, gewg_ wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>|[...]browsing a Linux Forum
>|[...]Threads on just how to upgrade from Firefox 1.0 to Firefox 1.5.
>|Most were so Clueless they did not realize the added security Firefox 1.5 had
>|over 1.0 was mostly irrelevant since they were using Linux to start with.
>
>Well, it's not unwise to plug as many holes as possible.
>There have been several gotcha stories lately about "Linux botnets"
>--though the meme is too small to apply the same term as M$ mass-infections.
>(Apparently, admins who use Linux are stupidly transmitting passwords in the clear.)
>
>...and the worrywarts you saw were undoubtedly former Windoze users. 8-))
>
>There are 2 terrible habits that M$ users form:
>
>1) Allow poorly-written apps that shouldn't need admin privileges on their boxes.
>1a) Grant those the elevated privileges their sucky developers have required.
>(Obviously, doesn't apply to 9x where EVERYTHING runs as root. 8-| )
>
>2) Download lots of band-aids to "solve" the multitude of flaws in the basic install.
>It reminds one of the meme of popping pills to get healthy.
>(...and trying to treat a series of ax wounds with band-aids is a poor plan anyway
>--not to mention the old close-the-gate-after-they've-bolted thing.)
>
>There is also a 3rd element--but that has less to do with the user's discretion:
>An operating system that passes out elevated privileges to processes
>like it was handing out Halloween candy.
>(...and so many folks don't know about e.g. BlackViper's guide to services.)
>
>So, when users finally get an ecosystem with REAL security, they're still gun-shy.
>
>I may have posted this before. It goes to the heart of the problem.
>cache
>of
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/antivirusculture




Written in response to:
re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Thursday, October 8, 2009 at 1:57 pm)

Responses to this message:
*re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Saturday, October 17, 2009 at 2:05 pm)

All messages in this thread [show all]
-Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 2:54 pm)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (Steve: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 6:42 pm)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Wed, Oct 7, 2009, 10:20 pm)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (Steve: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 6:58 am)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 11:15 am)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (Steve: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 11:47 am)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Thu, Oct 8, 2009, 1:57 pm)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (sekirt: Sat, Oct 17, 2009, 5:37 am)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Sat, Oct 17, 2009, 2:05 pm)
-re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (sekirt: Sun, Oct 18, 2009, 11:20 pm)
*re: Another serious blow delivered to the validity of EULAs (gewg_: Mon, Oct 19, 2009, 12:02 pm)
*The single biggest problem on the 'Net (was:...EULAs) (gewg_: Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 7:28 pm)
-INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (gewg_: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 2:03 pm)
-re: INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (sekirt: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 2:37 pm)
-re: INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (gewg_: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 6:24 pm)
-re: INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (sekirt: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 7:46 pm)
-re: INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (gewg_: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 10:53 pm)
*re: INFECTIONS: The old wives' tale put to bed (sekirt: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 11:20 pm)
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