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Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
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Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm Posted by Monde
(2 messages posted)
There's another thread that addresses, in a somewhat vague way, the removal of Internet
Explorer - but it does not satisfy me because I do not want to merely shut off user
access to it. That will not stop the recent spate of very EVIL (and unfortunately
well written) malware from going right ahead, shunting the permissions to whatever
it wishes, and using it anyway. Now that web designers tend to design for "everything
BUT IE" as a rule rather than exception I can finally get rid of the damned thing
without any regrets. I note that after installing SP3 it seemed to be even more
unwilling to let me do this, and I didn't want to louse everything up from here til
the next 498 Sundays.
Unfortunately I caught the world's most horrendous malware - Smitfraud! You get this
and/or Virtumonde, there's no other choice but to do a wipe/format/clean install,
so I did.
(Note to fellow Smitfraud/Virtumonde sufferers: you've got my sympathies straight
to the heart. It's the only choice, to start from square one and go through all
the BS of reinstalling the whole system, softwares, ad.infinitum - unless you want
to end up with a system riddled with holes and so full of dead tentacles of the thing
after whatever tweaky slaughter method you go with--and worst of all, it's not just
clutter...some of those tentacles will respawn new horrors, just like those movie
monsters that reanimate and regrow themselves from hacked-off bits of their dead
bodies. I could describe what I would like to do to the individual[s] who wrote
these malwares, but as this would by necessity be far too crude for a forum not devoted
to unpleasantries and violent outbursts, I'll spare you.)
Sorry for the digression - but now that I've reformatted, and reinstalled, and finally
got with the program and stopped being a lazy twit and now do everything from a NON-ADMIN
ACCOUNT (I know! I should have been doing that from the get-go, what can I say, I'm
a slow learner...) I want to continue with my proactive security prophylaxis schema
(in English, that means "ounce of prevention = a ton of cures") and get rid of the
piece of malware called INTERNET EXPLORER in a way that is as close as one can get
to actually removing the $#@! thing instead of pretending to. Also I'd like any
other suggestions of Windows programs to remove - is Media Player full of holes enough
that I ought to hose it off as well? ALL other players work better than it does and
I am really paranoid about the zillion ways it wants to shunt info to and from my
computer to "Macrohard" (and gods know what other places - whether or not "Macrohard"
intended that this was to happen!) so if there's a way to hose this too, I'd like
to hear about it.
Thanks in advance,
M.
Dominate the subversive paradigm! ~
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re: Not possible to get rid of IE, totally
Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 10:15 pm Posted by Ms. Eagle
(32685 messages posted)
IE is an integral part of the XP operating system and cannot be uninstalled. Just
remove the shortcuts, if you don't want to see it.
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 10:17 pm Posted by Steve
(19683 messages posted)
nlite is a program that can make a new XP CD, and remove Windows Components like
IE. I made a IE-less Windows CD a couple years ago with nlite.
The trouble
is you then need to get some third party software to do things Like Remove Programs,
because that function is tied to IE in some way.
As I remember about 5 or
6 key Windows functions stopped working after the removal of IE. All the problems
had work a rounds, but was more of a pain then ir was worth.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 6:01 am Posted by Ricer46
(20470 messages posted)
I found your immature rant too tedious to finish reading, but stating that web pages
are being built for anything but IE is absolutely absurd. There are still too many
pages that can only be properly viewed with IE. Yes I know about Firefox's IE tab,
but it's not perfect.
If you take the time to learn how to remove XP's file protection system, then you
CAN delete iexplore.exe. As was noted you can not completely uninstall IE, but removing
the executable will accomplish what you want.
And I fully encourage you to pursue this option, as your brilliant mind fully deserves
the ability to run Windows any damn way you please, rather than having to live with
the M$ shackles. For anyone else reading this, please don't try this yourself, because
you don't have the brilliant mind of this poster.
P.S. when you kill XP, don't come back here looking for help.
On Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm, Monde wrote:
>There's another thread that addresses, in a somewhat vague way, the removal of Internet
>Explorer - but it does not satisfy me because I do not want to merely shut off user
>access to it. That will not stop the recent spate of very EVIL (and unfortunately
>well written) malware from going right ahead, shunting the permissions to whatever
>it wishes, and using it anyway. Now that web designers tend to design for "everything
>BUT IE" as a rule rather than exception I can finally get rid of the damned thing
>without any regrets. I note that after installing SP3 it seemed to be even more
>unwilling to let me do this, and I didn't want to louse everything up from here
til
>the next 498 Sundays.
>
>Unfortunately I caught the world's most horrendous malware - Smitfraud! You get
this
>and/or Virtumonde, there's no other choice but to do a wipe/format/clean install,
>so I did.
>
>(Note to fellow Smitfraud/Virtumonde sufferers: you've got my sympathies straight
>to the heart. It's the only choice, to start from square one and go through all
>the BS of reinstalling the whole system, softwares, ad.infinitum - unless you want
>to end up with a system riddled with holes and so full of dead tentacles of the
thing
>after whatever tweaky slaughter method you go with--and worst of all, it's not just
>clutter...some of those tentacles will respawn new horrors, just like those movie
>monsters that reanimate and regrow themselves from hacked-off bits of their dead
>bodies. I could describe what I would like to do to the individual[s] who wrote
>these malwares, but as this would by necessity be far too crude for a forum not
devoted
>to unpleasantries and violent outbursts, I'll spare you.)
>
>Sorry for the digression - but now that I've reformatted, and reinstalled, and finally
>got with the program and stopped being a lazy twit and now do everything from a
NON-ADMIN
>ACCOUNT (I know! I should have been doing that from the get-go, what can I say,
I'm
>a slow learner...) I want to continue with my proactive security prophylaxis schema
>(in English, that means "ounce of prevention = a ton of cures") and get rid of the
>piece of malware called INTERNET EXPLORER in a way that is as close as one can get
>to actually removing the $#@! thing instead of pretending to. Also I'd like any
>other suggestions of Windows programs to remove - is Media Player full of holes
enough
>that I ought to hose it off as well? ALL other players work better than it does
and
>I am really paranoid about the zillion ways it wants to shunt info to and from my
>computer to "Macrohard" (and gods know what other places - whether or not "Macrohard"
>intended that this was to happen!) so if there's a way to hose this too, I'd like
>to hear about it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>M.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 7:15 am Posted by Deb
(1285 messages posted)
I took one look at the posting and just couldn't be bothered reading it at all. No
paragraphs!!!...:)
On Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 6:01 am, Ricer46 wrote:
>I found your immature rant too tedious to finish reading, but stating that web pages
>are being built for anything but IE is absolutely absurd. There are still too many
>pages that can only be properly viewed with IE. Yes I know about Firefox's IE tab,
>but it's not perfect.
>
>If you take the time to learn how to remove XP's file protection system, then you
>CAN delete iexplore.exe. As was noted you can not completely uninstall IE, but removing
>the executable will accomplish what you want.
>
>And I fully encourage you to pursue this option, as your brilliant mind fully deserves
>the ability to run Windows any damn way you please, rather than having to live with
>the M$ shackles. For anyone else reading this, please don't try this yourself, because
>you don't have the brilliant mind of this poster.
>
>P.S. when you kill XP, don't come back here looking for help.
>
>
>
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:20 am Posted by cogs
(142 messages posted)
i can tell you're really fed up with ie. just don't use the things you don't like.
the only other solution is another operating system. it seems like you want protection
from intrusion; i would focus on that.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 8:24 am Posted by cogs
(142 messages posted)
p.s. don't rant on forums, it'll get you nowhere.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 11:36 pm Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(6749 messages posted)
If you are using IE7 and XP with both fully patched/updated, and have a name brand
AV product installed and updated, and at least the Windows firewall running, and
are operating with a non-admin account (as you mentioned that you finally are), then
you are as safe as you can be on an XP system.
To get any safer you are going to have to move to Vista, or take IE8 B2 for a test
drive.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:19 pm Posted by jaf
(3312 messages posted)
Your statement is flawed ;) To get safer use a different browser. And as a bonus,
you can forget all the third party protective/maintenance baggage that IE drags along
with it.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 6:27 am Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(6749 messages posted)
A fully patched IE7 on XP is the functional equivalent from a security perspective
as Firefox or Opera on an overall basis.
At this point in the development of each of these three browsers, all the major holes
are patched, and each of the three gets periodic patches to plug the theoretical
holes the "security research companies" come up with from time to time to play Gotcha
and gather headlines to promote their businesses. The security community seems to
love to do a lot of attention-getting bickering over the relative and comparative
seriousness of these holes. Tempests in teapots.
However, God help you if you use Safari on Windows, that thing's like a piece of
Swiss cheese.
No browser can prevent moronic users from installing XP Antivirus 2009 or Vundo hidden
in a codec pack. Someone with the latest Firefox or Opera plus every anti-malware
program known to man can still get infected if they habitually run their computer
using an Admin account.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 9:02 am Posted by jaf
(3312 messages posted)
Good to see you again Dan. Take care.
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 12:36 pm Posted by Monde
(2 messages posted)
I appreciate your help: i seem to have angered a lot of folks here and I am sorry
for that. Your comment was really helpful as I had Safari installed before because
I liked what it did with the typesetting, and did not know it had flawed security.
Annoyances.org has a somewhat different input system than most fora I've been on,
and since I generally don't have trouble with misspellings I didn't bother to use
the previewer. I always use paragraphs when I type! And as for avoidance of ranting
i saw no admonition against this when looking over the forum's instructions. (Shrug)
I certainly never intended to insult or offend anyone.
Dominate the subversive paradigm! ~
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re: Getting rid of the malware called IE - TOTALLY! (XP/SP3/IE7)
Monday, September 22, 2008 at 8:15 pm Posted by Dan Sarandrea, MCSE
(6749 messages posted)
Don't lose any sleep over it--LOL :-)
Not the first dust-up and sure as heck won't be the last!
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